So I originally studied journalism and I was a foreign correspondent with Reuters, and I was situated a Bronco where, in addition to general news, exposed at that time to a lot of technology. And I decided to switch and started working with some technology companies in marketing communications and found that I still really missed journalism. And I created a hybrid off a career that leads me to function the fact it was a journalist, but also to continue to remain in the tech field, which I find very interesting and very engaging.

So I started this company and we don't have a very large staff. And I've worked throughout my career with a lot of startups, and as I said in journalism, So the hours of the start up to be very different. When I ran communications and working in other companies, they were primarily it started. We always talk to people about working mothers because oftentimes in startups is very difficult to have work life balance. It would not be unusual for me to work 16 70 hours of work. Everybody the week try very hard to give my staff work like balance. Make sure that they take a couple of days off each week, but it is very, very difficult. I worked at companies in the past because high tech, especially in security, is very fast paced, and if you don't move with you, you will fall behind. So I find that you having worked often all the time. And when it came to travel before Koven, there was a bit of travel. It just depends on the nature of what you do with the organization. If someone is looking for ourselves yourselves, engineering the travel, a lot of studio I did traveling if your career or company where they have advanced made you traveling. But if you're in other parts of the of the business and engineer something like that, you may do travel like

okay, I was thinking about this. I've worked and I've hired a lot of kids out of college and I've had interns, and I was very fortunate in my career. I've had some great red firs, and it's not just specific challenges, I think. And this is what I tell my own kids the most important thing in life, with perseverance. It's perseverance and not working. You don't have to be the smartest person in the room. You have to know what you're doing will be smart enough. But really, you have to know how to get along with people, and you have to be willing to put in the work. Too many people think that making just move ahead without actually investing your time and energy. So for someone like me, you know what I did. And also, I will add that I think that there is a challenge for women that's a little different than men. I will tell you a little story. When I was working at Reuters one time, we saw how the mail correspondence behave. If they didn't know something, they wrote it, they did it and they had that. The usage of that expression ask forgiveness, not permission. Whereas I noticed that the women correspondents wanted to get it right often tonight from the outset and asked a lot of questions. Everything else and in turn came across as a little bit less knowledgeable. And I started doing some research and I found that this is often the case. So I decided, which I think is a good seeing for men and women, whoever it is, that where I could learn things on my own, especially now with the Internet, I would. And so I find that I've taught myself a lot of things, and I also taught myself, came from journalism and came from 30 and you know, mid level positions in companies to sort of get a taste of doing everything. So that's that's my advice. Work hard, you know, and also make sure you try and go into a job that you like because you're going to spend a lot of your life doing